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Wertic · Feb 10, 2007, 12:25 PM // 12:25

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Originally Posted by jrk247

First of all, Anet is going to fix bugs and other important things in the game before they go out and fix useless titles.

I totally agree with you on that one, but when they come out and promise us changes, they should make those before starting to make other things, right?

Im starting to belive that in year 2010, there will still be a Guild Wars without a Spearmarshal title... Instead of fixing these "small" upgrades, they make a canthan new year and other stuff which wasnt even promised to come!

Its not logical, at least not to me...

Meat Axe · Feb 10, 2007, 01:54 PM // 13:54

Okay, the updates will come. Just be patient. They're not crucial for you to play the game. Go and do something else while they're coming. Also, the Canthan New Years probably has little to no impact on whether or not they're working on the titles. Anet has different teams working on different things. They have a group for bug fixing, a group for the special events. I'm not sure what group would be for titles, so it could be that they are delayed because of special events, but it could be due to something else.

They haven't promised to change the skill hunter titles, they just conducted a poll to see how interested people were in the idea. I believe Gaile said it would be changed, but sometimes the community liaison doesn't get all the information, or they could have had delays working on something else. As for the Spearmarshal title, they say there's something really cool planned for that, and maybe implementation is taking awhile. Or maybe they have something better to put in the game, like the Hard mode missions, which is probably designed to improve replayability until August or September when chapter 4 comes out.

Either way, complaining that "Anet doesn't keep their promises" isn't going to achieve anything. Just be patient, relax, and enjoy.

bart · Feb 10, 2007, 02:20 PM // 14:20

well it seems like the more we complain about something the more Anet prioritise it and fixes it so shouldn't we complain that Anet doesn't keep their promises if it will make them keep their promises?

ikpt · Feb 10, 2007, 02:30 PM // 14:30

There are games out there which see more improvements, and cost less than guild wars. Anybody who thinks otherwise is clearly oblivious to the entire MMO market.

That being said, ArenaNet had made quite a few changes. Some have been great and wanted by many, and some... kind of random and meaningless. Lip-synching is not a big deal because it adds absolutely nothing to the game. If they gave us new a single new hairstyle for one profession, that would be a bigger update/improvement than lip-synching.

With THAT being said, there are improvements they've been promising for years that haven't ever come close to seeing the light of day.

In conclusion:

Thread starter is half right, half wrong. Everyone arguing should just stop.

EternalTempest · Feb 10, 2007, 02:37 PM // 14:37

@OP I disagree with you.

I think Anet has been working hard and constantly updating GW nicely. From my perspective, if these were the only major issues, Anet is doing a very well.

In regards to the titles, they indicate it will happen so in time it will come. I highly suspect there working on higher priority items atm such as Chapter 4, other updates they let us know are coming, updates that we don't see coming.

I highly suspect you've maxed out 1 or more of your characters and there are some of the very few things to get "maxed" out. Nothing wrong with that mind you.

Zinger314 · Feb 10, 2007, 03:52 PM // 15:52

So, yeah, alternate access to Elite Missions? That was promised in July, correct?

Clone · Feb 10, 2007, 04:19 PM // 16:19

Yeah, Anet has no followthrough. They haven't even answered the questions they told us to ask. Or at least if they have, they've done a good job of hiding their responses. Elite mission access, trade improvments, and all sorts of talk. Thats not to say they haven't made improvements to the game. But many times, the improvments are completely different things than what they said was in the works.

Myrkwid · Feb 10, 2007, 05:52 PM // 17:52

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Originally Posted by Amity and Truth

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You're not alone with you're opinion, I completely agree with you.

quickmonty · Feb 10, 2007, 05:56 PM // 17:56

You BOUGHT the game as is. Updates and changes are an added "freebie". Imagine buying a new car, and every so often the auto maker sends you the latest upgrade for FREE!!. Here .... change that single CD player to a SIX CD changer ...... FREE!!

ROFLMAO

BryanM · Feb 10, 2007, 06:21 PM // 18:21

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Originally Posted by The Ernada

Your argument is only valid if other MMO's that have monthly fee did not also charge for the game itself.

That is actually the standard model of MMORPGs. Standard. Model. World of Warcraft only charged $$$$$$$$$$$50 for so long because they could get away with it.

It's down to $20 for the lousy CD key right now: http://www.amazon.com/Blizzard-Enter...8&s=videogames

It's $15 a month, and the first month is included with the CD Key. So maybe $5 for packaging costs.

Anyway.

Guild Wars does have an ongoing payment model for ongoing content (or if you simply wish to be competitive in PvP, or l33t in PvE), regardless of how often the iterations happen.

CDittric77 · Feb 10, 2007, 06:32 PM // 18:32

Uh, yeah, the reality is you don't have to do anything other than buy a campaign and play the game. You aren't obligated to get anything other than what comes in that box - ANet does all other things to improve the gaming experience so it retains its fans, improves its brand indentification, and continues to make the content/context interesting. After balancing my checkbook, I'm pretty sure I saw only one charge for buying Nightfall, unlike all those monthly charges that come with other MMOs. Logic and rationailze it out all you want, but the bottom line is, you buy the game and you get that games' content - end of discussion.

The Ernada · Feb 10, 2007, 07:10 PM // 19:10

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Originally Posted by BryanM

That is actually the standard model of MMORPGs. Standard. Model. World of Warcraft only charged $$$$$$$$$$$50 for so long because they could get away with it.

It's down to $20 for the lousy CD key right now: http://www.amazon.com/Blizzard-Enter...8&s=videogames

It's $15 a month, and the first month is included with the CD Key. So maybe $5 for packaging costs.

Anyway.

Guild Wars does have an ongoing payment model for ongoing content (or if you simply wish to be competitive in PvP, or l33t in PvE), regardless of how often the iterations happen.

And a lot of retailers are only charging 29.99 for Prophecies and Factions. That blows away WoW even if WoW only charges 20 bucks since it also charges a monthly fee. Now can we drop this ridiculous spin that GW has a monthly fee?

Omega X · Feb 10, 2007, 07:22 PM // 19:22

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Originally Posted by quickmonty

You BOUGHT the game as is. Updates and changes are an added "freebie". Imagine buying a new car, and every so often the auto maker sends you the latest upgrade for FREE!!. Here .... change that single CD player to a SIX CD changer ...... FREE!!

ROFLMAO

You buy a used car "As Is" not a brand new car.

Also, you do get free work done when a Recall from the car maker to update the car. And lets not get started about the warranty and perks.

Not to mention that you are comparing a tangible product to software. The business models are not the same.

Former Ruling · Feb 10, 2007, 07:34 PM // 19:34

The problem with comparing GW's model to MMOs is that it assumes the customer is going to continue to be up-to-date. When you buy 2 Campaigns a year at full price this does come to about half what you'd be paying for an MMO in the same year. But remember, not everyone does that. With GW you can choose to stay in one continent and lose out on Events/Continents/etc from other Chapters and your payment is done, the same is not true for MMOs.

I can buy chapter 1 for like 20 bucks and play with it as long as I like and my payment was 20 bucks. WoW would be charging me monthly fees whether I bought Burning Crusade or not..

aeroclown · Feb 10, 2007, 07:36 PM // 19:36

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Originally Posted by Tide to Go

soon Wrectic soon......ya how do i set it on hard mode?????

and the lip sync update...thats a big change......when they say big change u think of a huge update with thousands of skills new places and proffessions, weapons......its not like that

I'm sorry but I think you have underestimated the amount of time and work that goes into lip-syncing. I would dare you to open up Maya or XSI, load up a model that hasn't been designed to Lip-sync and see just how long it will take you to add the required Skeletal systems if not rebuild them all, not to mention the actual process of syncing and animating the new skeletal information. You just have no idea how large of an update that really is.

ikpt · Feb 10, 2007, 07:39 PM // 19:39

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Originally Posted by Former Ruling

I can buy chapter 1 for like 20 bucks and play with it as long as I like and my payment was 20 bucks. WoW would be charging me monthly fees whether I bought Burning Crusade or not..

And you'd have access to a hell of a lot more content than Prophecies, even if you only played WoW for 1 month.

Former Ruling · Feb 10, 2007, 07:59 PM // 19:59

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Originally Posted by ikpt

And you'd have access to a hell of a lot more content than Prophecies, even if you only played WoW for 1 month.

The arguement wasn't which one had more to do at its basic non-expanded state, but rather the costs involved in any playing the non-expanded game.

Amount of content obviously isn't a problem with alot of people anyway seeings how GW had members when only chapter 1 existed even though WoW existed then too and has always been more expansive and had more to do.

King Kong · Feb 10, 2007, 08:05 PM // 20:05

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Originally Posted by Zinger314

So, yeah, alternate access to Elite Missions? That was promised in July, correct?

Yeah think so! They will just keep having it as an event, so as not to devalue it

BryanM · Feb 10, 2007, 09:00 PM // 21:00

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Originally Posted by The Ernada

Now can we drop this ridiculous spin that GW has a monthly fee?

Sigh.

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Originally Posted by someone who can read

Guild Wars does have an ongoing payment model for ongoing content (or if you simply wish to be competitive in PvP, or l33t in PvE)

You are very smart whoever it was that wrote this. Power creep sure is a good selling point. Those 5 energy Blinding Surges sure were overpowered when they lasted. New things to look at are nice, too.

Your implication that it was just as important to retain customers in a perpetual expansion model as it is in a perpetual taxed game is also totally correct, and it was classy of you to not waste time verbalizing the obvious.

OP, it might be useful to notarize the list of things that were/are going to be done to the game (in a simple bullet list), according to their CRs. Software development is a miserable environment to get progress done in, these things will take a lot of time, and it'd be nice to gather the stuff to look forward to in one place in the meanwhile.

The Auction House has been on the to-do pile since 2005.

ikpt · Feb 10, 2007, 09:12 PM // 21:12

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Originally Posted by aeroclown

I'm sorry but I think you have underestimated the amount of time and work that goes into lip-syncing. I would dare you to open up Maya or XSI, load up a model that hasn't been designed to Lip-sync and see just how long it will take you to add the required Skeletal systems if not rebuild them all, not to mention the actual process of syncing and animating the new skeletal information. You just have no idea how large of an update that really is.

And what does it bring to the game? Absolutely nothing. That's what we mean when we say it isn't a big update. Time spent on that could have been spent on an actual trading system, but no, now the lips move in cutscenes. Great.